And as a result, they are rendered speechless much of the time.
True story. From a C-Span call in show during the health care reform debate.
The caller complained about ‘socialist’ medicine and all the perceived evils of socialism in general and socialism in medicine in particular. The caller was asked how he got his medical treatment. His answer? The Veterans Administration, possible the most purely socialised medical system on the planet.
When asked why he didn’t avail himself of private insurance his answer was “I can’t afford it.”
Liberals listening to this exchange probably didn’t get their jaws off the ground for several minutes. They were rendered speechless. No wonder they often lose an argument: They can’t talk!
And this from a post by economist Maxine Udall that appeared on economist’s view:
“…[T]he spectre of “socialized medicine” prevents us moving to single payer, where the incentives for prudent life cycle management of risk across all age and income groups would be better aligned. Why, when we already have what is in effect single payer for the elderly and the poor, do some believe that single payer is “socialized medicine” and why do they fear it so?
I gained some insight into this recently when an elderly relative started complaining about “Obamacare” and how it would lead to “socialized medicine.” Knowing the person had heart surgery courtesy of Medicare and was receiving ongoing monitoring and care, I said, “I didn’t realize you were so unhappy with Medicare.” To which I received the reply: “I’m not talking about Medicare, I’m talking about socialized medicine.”
“How is Medicare different from socialized medicine?” I asked.
“Medicare isn’t socialized,” came the reply. “I pay for it. I pay every month and when I’ve had surgery, I’ve had to pay some of it. Medicare is like any other insurance.”
“Well,” I said, “I know you’re paying a premium for Part B and I know there are copayments and deductibles, but Medicare is a government run health insurance program.”
To which the reply was: “But I’m talking about socialized medicine. You know that whenever the government gets involved in anything, it never does a good job.”
“I had no idea you were having problems with Medicare.” said I. “I always had the impression you were pretty satisfied with it. And with the VA, too. I know you’ve used the VA for some care recently. What problems have you had with Medicare or the VA?”
“Well, none with Medicare or the VA, but I’m not talking about Medicare. I’m talking about socialized medicine.”
“So you’re happy with Medicare?”
“Yes.”
“Would you mind if your [adult] children could buy into it? Your son is unemployed. Would it be OK if he could buy into Medicare?”
“Well, sure. As long as he has to pay like I do.”
You were all wondering how someone could say, “Keep your government hands off my Medicare?” Well, there you have it. Now that I’ve told you, I’m still not sure I understand it. It was one of the most frustrating and at the same time enlightening conversations I have had in a long time. The person with whom I was conversing is intelligent, educated, and not senile.
I’m just not sure how to use the above information. I was unable to persuade my elderly relative. I confess that since the conversation, I have despaired that the national conversation will ever be much better.”
Beezer. And so it goes. Our jaws are constantly resting on the floor from our astonishment. Liberals need to get used to the American public’s propensity to stab itself repeatedly.